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--- eve:ships:destroyers:thrasher [2016/04/21 17:53]
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-======= Thrasher =======
+====== Thrasher ======
+<WRAP round alert 60%>Looking for **[[military:doctrines:start|DOCTRINE FITS]]**?</WRAP>
-===== Overview =====
+<WRAP round important 60%>The Thrasher is offered for free via the [[training:test_free|TEST Free]] program. Please see the Test Free page for details.</WRAP>
+----
+{{https://image.eveonline.com/Render/16242_256.png?nolink}}
+===== Description =====
+Engineered as a supplement to its big brother the Cyclone, the Thrasher's tremendous turret capabilities and advanced tracking computers allow it to protect its larger counterpart from smaller, faster menaces.
+====Helpful Information====
 Another versatile Minmatar ship, this destroyer is useful for lvl 1-2 missions, salvaging, or PvP. When fitted with artillery, sensor boosters, and damage mods, it can obliterate frigs and pods. However, this ship shines brightest in the roles of suicide ganking in high-sec. Let me explain:
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 With the popularity of [[eve:ships:frigates:rifter|Rifters]], it's not surprising that the Thrasher is quite a common sight. However, this ship has much more going for it than simply being a step up from a popular PvP frigate. With an 8/3/2 slot layout and 7 turrets, the Thrasher is fairly versatile in terms of fitting. Along with the standard destroyer bonuses to range and tracking, the Thrasher also receives a damage bonus - the only destroyer that does. The fact that this bonus is to damage rather than rate of fire is quite significant, as we'll see in a moment.
-First of all, let's talk about autocannon Thrashers. Due to the low Powergrid requirement of autocannons, an AC Thrasher has heaps of fitting room available. A medium shield extender is generally the most common choice for tank, however a 2 slot armour tank with a 400mm plate is another popular option. Either an afterburner or mwd will fit with either option (due to the lower speed and poor sig radius of destroyers, mwds tend to be more popular here than they are on frigates), and there's even room for a neut or nos in the last high slot, making the AC Thrasher a very well rounded boat.
+First of all, let's talk about autocannon Thrashers. Due to the low powergrid requirement of autocannons, an AC Thrasher has heaps of fitting room available. A medium shield extender is generally the most common choice for tank, however a 2 slot armor tank with a 400mm plate is another popular option. Either an afterburner or mwd will fit with either option (due to the lower speed and poor sig radius of destroyers, mwds tend to be more popular here than they are on frigates), and there's even room for a neut or nos in the last high slot, making the AC Thrasher a very well rounded boat.
 In terms of damage output the AC Thrasher is up there with the gankiest assault frigs, and with a big tracking bonus the same tricks that work against the [[eve:shipsfrigates:wolf|Wolf]] or [[eve:ships:frigates:jaguar|Jaguar]] won't necessarily be effective here. On the other hand, the optimal range bonus adds almost nothing to autocannons, and despite being easy to fit the tank on the thrasher isn't really any better than what you'd find on a regular t1 frig. A shield tanked Thrasher isn't going to be packing a web, and even without a web yourself dictating range in a smaller ship shouldn't be too difficult - despite being the fastest destroyer the Thrasher is still slower than the slowest assault frigs. Expect an AC Thrasher to be a challenging fight in any equivalent ship or smaller, and even in a larger ship its strong damage output should not be underestimated (although as with all destroyers it will generally take more damage from your weapons than a frigate would).
-Artillery Thrashers are a different beast entirely. I mentioned earlier that destroyers have very high volley damage, and artillery already have the highest volley damage of any weapon system by far (especially so for the higher-calibre artillery of each size, in this case 280mms). Add to this that the destroyer receives a bonus to damage (not rate of fire), and with 7 turrets you have a ship that can potentially do upwards of 1700 damage in a single hit (or sometimes even higher, given that turret damage is randomized). To put that in perspective, a lightly tanked (damage control only) t1 frigate has 2k or 3k effective HP, and a well tanked one usually has around 6 or 7k. Granted the rate of fire of this ship is pretty low, however when you warp in and immediately lose half of your HP the instinctive reaction is rarely a rational one. Thanks to the destroyer's optimal range bonus, Thrashers can even hit out to over 50km with Tremor ammo, making a group of them very effective for flyby sniping.
+Artillery Thrashers are a different beast entirely. I mentioned earlier that destroyers have very high volley damage, and artillery already have the highest volley damage of any weapon system by far (especially so for the higher-caliber artillery of each size, in this case 280mms). Add to this that the destroyer receives a bonus to damage (not rate of fire), and with 7 turrets you have a ship that can potentially do upwards of 1700 damage in a single hit (or sometimes even higher, given that turret damage is randomized). To put that in perspective, a lightly tanked (damage control only) t1 frigate has 2k or 3k effective HP, and a well tanked one usually has around 6 or 7k. Granted the rate of fire of this ship is pretty low, however when you warp in and immediately lose half of your HP the instinctive reaction is rarely a rational one. Thanks to the destroyer's optimal range bonus, Thrashers can even hit out to over 50km with Tremor ammo, making a group of them very effective for flyby sniping.
 Artillery Thrashers really excel in gangs, where a small group of them can destroy a lightly tanked target instantly. If you're out in a frig and encounter a group of Thrashers, give them a wide berth - no matter how fast or tough you think you are. However, they struggle to fit any real tank, and even with their tracking bonus it can be quite easy to get under their guns at which point their impressive alpha strike (another term for initial volley damage) won't matter. If you encounter one solo, your priority should be to close range quickly - avoid approaching it directly (maintain some angular velocity), and don't panic if you lose a lot of hp on the way in - once you're orbiting close that damage should drop off to almost nothing.
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-====Requirements====
-  * Minmatar Destroyer I
-    * Minmatar Frigate III
-      * Spaceship Command I
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+===== Overview =====
-====Traits====
-Role bonuses:
-  * 50% bonus to Small Projectile Turret optimal range
 Minmatar Destroyer bonuses (per skill level):
   * 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret damage
   * 10% bonus to Small Projectile Turret tracking speed
+Role bonuses:
+  * 50% bonus to Small Projectile Turret optimal range
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-=====Fittings=====
-====PvE====
+===== Requirements =====
-====PvP====
+  * Minmatar Destroyer I
+    * Minmatar Frigate III
+      * Spaceship Command I
-===Tunnelsnake===
+----
-<WRAP round important 40%>
+===== Non Reimbursable Fits =====
-The Thrasher is offered for free via the [[training:test_free|TEST Free]] program. Please see the Test Free page for details.
+=== Test Free ===
-</WRAP>
+<code>[Thrasher, test_free Thrasher Shibesnake (Arty)]
-<EFT>[Thrasher, test_free]
 Gyrostabilizer I
 Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
-MN Microwarpdrive I
+Sensor Booster I
-Sensor Booster I, Targeting Range Script
+Tracking Computer I
-Target Painter I
+MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
+mm Howitzer Artillery I
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
+mm Howitzer Artillery I
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
+mm Howitzer Artillery I
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
+mm Howitzer Artillery I
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
+mm Howitzer Artillery I
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
+mm Howitzer Artillery I
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
+mm Howitzer Artillery I
 [Empty High slot]
-Small Ancillary Current Router I
+Small EM Shield Reinforcer I
-Small Core Defense Field Extender I
+Small EM Shield Reinforcer I
-Small Core Defense Field Extender I</EFT>
+Small Thermal Shield Reinforcer I
-<EFT>
-[Thrasher, TEST_FREE Tunnelsnake]
-Gyrostabilizer I
-Gyrostabilizer I
-MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
+EMP S x1000
-Medium Shield Extender I
+Scan Resolution Script x1
-Warp Scrambler I
+Targeting Range Script x1
+Optimal Range Script x1
+Tracking Speed Script x1</code>
-Small Nosferatu I
+<code>[Thrasher, test_free Thrasher Tunnelsnake (Auto)]
-mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon I, EMP S
-Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
-Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
-Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
-</EFT>
-This is an effective heavy tackler, and can do a reasonable job in an anti-support role taking out enemy frigates.
-===Shibesnake===
-<WRAP round important 40%>
-The Thrasher is offered for free via the [[training:test_free|TEST Free]] program. Please see the Test Free page for details.
-</WRAP>
-<EFT>
-[Thrasher, shibesnake]
 Gyrostabilizer I
-Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
+Gyrostabilizer I
-MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
+Warp Scrambler I
-Sensor Booster I
+Medium Shield Extender I
-Tracking Computer I
+MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
-mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S
-Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
-Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
-Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
-</EFT>
-===Suicide Gank Fit===
-<EFT>
-[Thrasher, Suicide Ganker]
-Gyrostabilizer I
-Gyrostabilizer I
-MN Afterburner I
-Warp Scrambler I
-Stasis Webifier I
-mm Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
-mm Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
-mm Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
-mm Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
-mm Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
-mm Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
-mm Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
-'Limos' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
-</EFT>
-This fit is capable of taking out a Retriever solo in 0.5-0.6 security level systems with moderate skills. A cheap and effective griefing fit.
-===T1 Anti-Bomber Thrasher===
-<EFT>
-[Thrasher, Anti-Bomber Thrasher T1]
-Tracking Enhancer I
-Gyrostabilizer I
-Tracking Computer I
-Sensor Booster I, Scan Resolution Script
-Sensor Booster I, Scan Resolution Script
-mm Light Artillery Cannon I, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon I, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon I, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon I, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon I, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon I, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon I, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium S
-[empty high slot]
-[empty rig slot]
-[empty rig slot]
-[empty rig slot]
-</EFT>
-There are several variations on these fits, but they all work on the idea of locking the bomber before it can cloak. Replace the Tracking Computer I with a Warp Disruptor I and it also works for solo HD gatecamping. Small Targetting System Subcontroller rigs are cheap if you want that extra bit of scan resolution.
-===T2 Anti-bomber Thrasher===
-<EFT>
-[Thrasher, Anti-Bomber Thrasher T2]
-Tracking Enhancer I
-Gyrostabilizer I
-Tracking Computer II
-Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
-Sensor Booster II
-mm Light Artillery Cannon II, EMP S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon II, EMP S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon II, EMP S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon II, EMP S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon II, EMP S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon II, EMP S
-mm Light Artillery Cannon II, EMP S
-[empty high slot]
-[empty rig slot]
-[empty rig slot]
-[empty rig slot]
-</EFT>
-Should give about 20km optimal, and 12 km x2 falloff. The second sensor booster needs to have no script so you can lock out to 40km.  You will need AWU if you plan to use larger bore weapons, T2 or more ultra-cheap scripts.
-===MSE Tackler===
-<EFT>
-[Thrasher, MSE Roamer]
-Damage Control II
-Gyrostabilizer II
-MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
-Warp Scrambler II
-Medium Shield Extender II
-mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
-mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
-'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Mjolnir Rocket
-Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
-Small Core Defense Field Extender I
-Small Core Defense Field Extender I
-</EFT>
-Switch T2 out for best / most affordable meta where needed.  Need Electronics V, and Weapon Upgrades V to do a full T2 fit (with most other fitting / support skills at 4.)  With Weapon Upgrades 4, switch the T2 Warp Scrambler with a meta version; can swap the meta rocket launcher for T2 with a meta scram as well.  Cap stable, up to about 270-ish dps with EMP / Nuclear (up to 350 with Hail + Rage Rockets), and nearly 10k EHP with rigs.  You will still explode hilariously, and this fit was about 33m.  Obviously, switch ammo to fit needs, rigs are entirely optional, etc. Main problem?  BS sized signature of 411m with MWD on.
+mm AutoCannon I
+mm AutoCannon I
+mm AutoCannon I
+mm AutoCannon I
+mm AutoCannon I
+mm AutoCannon I
+mm AutoCannon I
+Small Energy Nosferatu I
-Alternate fittings suggested:  Swap DCII for second Gyro, swap out 2 rigs for 2 polycarbs, swap rocket launcher for nos or scan probe launcher, drop tackle for an Invuln (meta shield extender only without 1% CPU Implant.)
+Small EM Shield Reinforcer I
+Small EM Shield Reinforcer I
+Small Thermal Shield Reinforcer I
-== Fittings you should never use ==
-=== The Joe D'Trader Memorial Laser Thrasher ===
-<EFT>
-[Thrasher, Joe D' Trader Memorial Laser Thrasher]
-Nanofiber Internal Structure I
-Overdrive Injector System I
-Small Capacitor Battery I
-[empty med slot]
-[empty med slot]
-Dual Light Beam Laser I, Multifrequency S
-Dual Light Beam Laser I, Multifrequency S
-Dual Light Beam Laser I, Multifrequency S
-Dual Light Beam Laser I, Multifrequency S
-Dual Light Beam Laser I, Multifrequency S
-Dual Light Beam Laser I, Multifrequency S
-Dual Light Beam Laser I, Multifrequency S
-[empty high slot]
-</EFT>
-Never fly this. Used by Joe D'Trader, this fitting really only needs the lasers and the battery to shine. Ask your FC which crystals you should use, as this ship will always be a part of some laser light display.
+EMP S x1000</code>
-Fit some kind of cap mod, and maybe a heat sink or two.

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