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| - | Damage in eve is not of a singular type. It comes in 4 flavours. | + | =====Overview===== |
| - | *EM | + | Damage in Eve are dealt in five different types: |
| - | *Thermal | + | ***<color #1a5d8b>EM</color>** |
| - | *Kinetic | + | ***<color #8b1818>Thermal</color>** |
| - | *Explosive | + | ***<color #717171>Kinetic</color>** |
| + | ***<color #8b5d1a>Explosive</color>** | ||
| + | *Omni (NPC Only) | ||
| - | Some weapon systems can deal all of these, some can only deal 1 kind of damage. And some can deal mixes (More on that here: [[eve:ammo|Ammo Types]]). | + | Some weapon systems can deal all of these, some can only deal 1 kind of damage. And some can deal mixes (More on that here: [[eve:ammo:start|Ammo Types]]). |
| - | *Missiles, with missile types for each of the damage types | + | *Missiles - A missile for every damage type, pure |
| - | *Lasers, they do mostly EM damage and may do some Thermal. | + | *Lasers - **<color #1a5d8b>EM</color>** / **<color #8b1818>Thermal</color>** |
| - | *Hybrids, which only deal Kinetic and Thermal | + | *Hybrids - **<color #717171>Kinetic</color>** / **<color #8b1818>Thermal</color>** |
| - | *Projectiles, similar to missiles in that they can deal all types, but in mixed ratios of mostly 2 types at once. | + | *Projectiles - Ammo for every damage type, mixed |
| - | Every ship has a Shield, armour and structure defence built in. Each of these three will have an inbuilt resistance against the four damage types. | + | ---- |
| - | For a T1 hull base, this usually this pans out like this: | + | =====Base Resistance===== |
| - | * Shields have a very low resist against EM. growing up in strength from EM -> Therm -> Kinetic -> Explosive. | + | Every ship in Eve has a Shield, Armor and Structure defense built in. Each of these three will have a natural resistance against the four base damage types. |
| - | * Armour will have a low resist against Explosive. Growing up in strength vice versa Explosive -> Kinetic -> Thermal -> EM | + | |
| - | * Structure will have zero resist to all 4 damage types. | + | |
| - | Now to put it in a couple of examples:< | + | ====T1 & Faction==== |
| - | Say someone is attacking your brand new frigate with 100 points of EM damage on your shields. Say your ship has 0% resist against EM. The damage that will be taken off your shields will be the full 100 points. | + | All T1 & Faction ships regardless of race or faction have the same base resistance on ships |
| - | Now this person switches to 100 points of Explosive damage, which your ship has 50% resist against, will make your shields go down 50 points. | + | ^Defense^ **<color #1a5d8b>EM</color>** ^ **<color #8b1818>Thermal</color>** ^ **<color #717171>Kinetic</color>** ^ **<color #8b5d1a>Explosive</color>** ^ |
| + | ^Shield | 0% | 20% | 40% | 50% | | ||
| + | ^Armor | 50% | 35% | 35% | 10% | | ||
| - | ---- | + | ====T2==== |
| + | T2 resistances vary between the four main Empire factions | ||
| - | ====Adding Resist Modules==== | + | Amarr favors Kinetic and Explosive resistance |
| - | You can add modules that increase either 1 type of resist (or all of them at once bit with less gain for each). And it would be handy to take no damage at all, by adding resist modules till you reach a full 100%. | + | Caldari favor Thermal and Kinetic resistance |
| + | Gallente favor Thermal and Kinetic resistance | ||
| + | Minmatar favor EM and Thermal resistance | ||
| - | However, it doesn't quite work like that. Your resist % will keep creeping toward 100% but never quite reach it. | + | ^ Defense ^ Race ^ **<color #1a5d8b>EM</color>** ^ **<color #8b1818>Thermal</color>** ^ **<color #717171>Kinetic</color>** ^ **<color #8b5d1a>Explosive</color>** ^ |
| + | ^Shield^Amarr | 0% | 20% | 70% | 87.5% | | ||
| + | ^:::^Caldari | 0% | 80% | 70% | 50% | | ||
| + | ^:::^Gallente | 0% | 67.5% | 85% | 50% | | ||
| + | ^:::^Minmatar | 75% | 60% | 40% | 50% | | ||
| + | ^ Defense ^ Race ^ **<color #1a5d8b>EM</color>** ^ **<color #8b1818>Thermal</color>** ^ **<color #717171>Kinetic</color>** ^ **<color #8b5d1a>Explosive</color>** ^ | ||
| + | ^Armor^Amarr| 50% | 35% | 62.5% | 80% | | ||
| + | ^:::^Caldari| 50% | 86.25% | 62.5% | 10% | | ||
| + | ^:::^Gallente| 50% | 67.5% | 83.75% | 10% | | ||
| + | ^:::^Minmatar| 90% | 67.5% | 25% | 10% | | ||
| - | The mechanic works in a way that a resist module will only diminish the remaining resist hole that is still left. | ||
| - | Say your ship has 40% Resist in Explosive. You fit a module that has a 50% damage resist bonus to Explo. Your ship has 60% in resist open. on that the module will take away 50%, which is 30%. | ||
| - | The final total Explosive resist will be 40+30 gives 70%. | ||
| - | Like this: | ||
| - | (100-Current Resist) * Module Resist + Current Resist | ||
| - | (100-40) * 0.50 + 40 = 70% | ||
| ---- | ---- | ||
| - | ====Stacking Penalty==== | + | =====Adding Resist Modules===== |
| - | Eve being eve, there is some extra depth to it. | + | You can add modules that increase either 1 type of resist (or all of them at once bit with less gain for each). And it would be handy to take no damage at all, by adding resist modules till you reach a full 100%. However, it doesn't quite work like that. Your resist % will keep creeping toward 100% but never quite reach it. The mechanic works in a way that a resist module will only diminish the remaining resist hole that is still left. The formula for adding resistance modules is: |
| - | Certain modules have what is called a stacking penalty. Meaning if you put more then one of them they function not at optimum. | + | <WRAP center round box 60%> |
| + | New Resistance = (100-Current Resist) * Module Resist + Current Resist | ||
| + | </WRAP> | ||
| - | Resist modules are one of those. | + | ---- |
| - | ^ Number Mods^Effectiveness^ | + | ====Stacking Penalty==== |
| - | |1|100%| | + | Certain modules have what is called a stacking penalty. Meaning if you put more then one of them they function not at optimum. Stacking penalties work on modules that work on the same attribute. Say you have 1 explosive hardener, and one that resists all 4 types, you will still get a stacking penalty on the Explosive resist. Its a bad idea, in general, to fit more then 3 modules that have a stacking penalty. The 4th will only add you 28% of the slots potential. At that point a different module that works at full potential is far preferred. \\ |
| - | |2|86.91%| | + | |
| - | |3|57.06%| | + | |
| - | |4|28.30%| | + | |
| - | |5|10.60%| | + | |
| - | |6|3.00%| | + | |
| - | |7|0.64%| | + | |
| - | |8|0.10%| | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | More details here: [[Stacking Penalty]] and the site with the [[http://wiki.eve-id.net/Stacking |formula explained]]. | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | Continuing on the previous example: | + | |
| - | we have a ship that has 1 Explosive resist mod fitted, and has as a total 70% resist to that. | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | Now, we add 3 more Explosive resist mods. | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | Instead of: | + | |
| - | (100-70) * 0.50 + 70 = 85% | + | |
| - | (100-85) * 0.50 + 85 = 93% | + | |
| - | (100-93) * 0.50 + 93 = 96% with the fourth added. | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | we get: | + | |
| - | (100-70) * (0.50 * 0.86) + 70 = 83% | + | |
| - | (100-83) * (0.50 * 0.57) + 83 = 88% | + | |
| - | (100-88) * (0.50 * 0.28) + 88 = 89% with the fourth added | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | Like this: | + | |
| - | (100-Current Resist) * (Module Resist * Stacking Penalty) + Current Resist | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | Far less then without stacking penalties. | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | Note, stacking penalties work on modules that work on the same attribute. Say you have 1 explosive hardener, and one that resists all 4 types, you will still get a stacking penalty on the Explosive resist. | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | Its a bad idea, in general, to fit more then 3 mods that have a stacking penalty. The 4th will only add you 28% of the slots potential. At that point a different module that works at full potential is far preferred. | + | |
| - | there are many small details that work itself into stacking penalties, but this is the general gist of it. | + | |
| - | + | ||
| - | ---- | + | |
| - | ====A Deceptive Small Increase==== | + | More details here: **[[training:game_mechanics:stacking_penalty|Stacking Penalty]]** and the site with the [[http://wiki.eve-id.net/Stacking |formula explained]]. |
| - | Now that 5% jump in resist we got from adding the third module may seem like a small jump. but consider it like this: | + | |
| - | With 2 modules we had 17% of the damage incoming. of 100 points only 17 come in. | + | |
| - | with 3 that jumped to 12% with 100 points, yea. just 12 come in. | + | |
| - | (1-12/17) * 100 makes that still 30% more increase of damage resisted. That is still a quite large jump from what only seems to be a 5% increase. | ||
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