=====Deagol1===== ---- =====Chat one===== \\ '' Montolio > Were you looking for me?\\ Deagol1 > o/\\ Deagol1 > ya can you talk with DurrHurrDurr\\ Deagol1 > hes in our local causing shit\\ Montolio > Whats he doing?\\ Deagol1 > going on about own isk and reimbersment\\ Montolio > Is it true?\\ Deagol1 > lol\\ Deagol1 > no\\ Deagol1 > thats why i am chatting with you\\ Montolio > TEST today discovered that OWN had 6 tech moons 1 neo moon charges 100mil/mo for an office and a corp of 50 pays 250 mil / mo in fees\\ Montolio > And that apparently you only reimburse logistics and interdictors\\ Montolio > If thats not the case, I can let people know\\ Deagol1 > we ahve been with tcf and around for many years\\ Deagol1 > you hvae been here 5 months\\ Deagol1 > we earned what we have\\ Deagol1 > and we spend anythign we make on the alliance\\ Deagol1 > even though this is none of your business\\ Montolio > I never said you didn't, but what is that ISK being spent on, if you don't mind answering for my curiosity?\\ Montolio > https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...hkey=CKbl8ZwI#\\ Montolio > Thats all of TEST finances\\ Montolio > What we take in, what we spend, etc..\\ Deagol1 > you think its your business to tell other blues how to run there alliances?\\ Montolio > Not exactly, no\\ Deagol1 > you do that in real life?\\ Deagol1 > well...\\ Montolio > But if you aren't going to reimburse your pilots we are going to try to do it for you\\ Deagol1 > did you send the troll to own space?\\ Montolio > No, but we are discussing setting up a reimbursement fund based on donations for OWN pilots during fleet ops\\ Montolio > He probably got curious due to that discussion and went over to check it out\\ Deagol1 > lol cool thnx\\ Deagol1 > every little bit helps\\ Montolio > np m8\\ Montolio > We aren't all pyramid schemes\\ Montolio > :P\\ Deagol1 > re read the part above about our history and yours\\ Deagol1 >\\ Montolio > Its incredible that you can trick 1500 people into lining your pockets to be honest\\ Montolio > I wish my members were as gullable\\ Deagol1 > ?\\ Deagol1 > no one in own leadership is rich\\ Montolio > You make 25b + in moon profits alone\\ Deagol1 > as i said we ahve re spent all isk made on the alliance\\ Deagol1 > you can chgoose to not believe that\\ Deagol1 > i don't really care\\ Deagol1 > we have built 2 stations since we got the moons\\ Deagol1 > we have upgraded all our systems\\ Deagol1 > we have full logi and dic reimberse\\ Deagol1 > we also reimberse half caps\\ Montolio > We reimburse everything, have built a station, and have almost fully upgraded double the number of systems with less then half the moons or fees\\ Deagol1 > and regularly give shipa nd isk to pilots who are vvery active\\ Montolio > Just saying.\\ Deagol1 > our open is only for the couple typs to promote people to get in them\\ Montolio > "our open" ?\\ Deagol1 > add up the stations and the upgrades\\ Deagol1 > open reiembersment\\ Montolio > With your income levels you should be able to build a station every month\\ Deagol1 > we do others also but its not open to all\\\ Deagol1 > just the most active pilots\\ Montolio > A station is what, 20b?\\ Deagol1 > we had a corp that was very loayal too us and we gave them a mon for many months\\ Deagol1 > we have done that with a cou0ple corps\\ Montolio > So all the money is funneled to an upper class?\\ Deagol1 > lol i have 1.6 billion in my wallet\\ Deagol1 > i am far from rich\\ Deagol1 > and i am leader\\ Deagol1 > red also is not rich\\ Deagol1 > also putting up towers to get thigns going is not cheap\\ Deagol1 > we haven't had these moons for a long time really\\ Montolio > You said it yourself, you've been here for months\\ Deagol1 > we worked our ass's off and finallly we go somethign for it\\ Deagol1 > we have been with tcf for many years\\ Montolio > I can't fathom how you guys don't have a massive supercarrier fleet or something with that much income\\ Montolio > I don't think I have even seen an OWN supercarrier\\ Deagol1 > we only got the moons 6 or 7 months ago\\ Deagol1 > lol dude we have been running with the nc\\ Montolio > So you've made something between 125-150b in the last 6 months\\ Montolio > Where the fuck did all that go?\\ Deagol1 > we never ran in any dek coalition\\ Deagol1 > you need to join nc flets to see us\\ Deagol1 > read above\\ Montolio > That it went to the top corps?\\ Deagol1 > the alliance didn't control all m,oons\\ Montolio > Either way, its impressive that you can have that much ISK but such a narrow reimbursement policy\\ Deagol1 > ?\\ Deagol1 > lol dude we have over 75 billion in station and upgrades\\ Deagol1 > there was bnothign here when we got here\\ Deagol1 > and we were broke\\ Deagol1 > all since we got the moons has gone to upgradeing systems putting up stations reiembersment as much as we can and getting the moons running\\ Montolio > Okay, so 125b - 75b\\ Deagol1 > no one is rich thats a fact\\ Deagol1 > do the math\\ Montolio > So that leaves fifty billion left over\\ Deagol1 > no\\\ Deagol1 > your assuming all moons were fully upgraded the entire time\\ Deagol1 > because people want everythign at once we could't have them all doing tht for a long time\\ Deagol1 > your numbers are off\\ Deagol1 > if all the po's needed for complex reactions arn't upo you don't make all isk\\ Deagol1 > and thats a lot of cost\\ Deagol1 > people wanted the station and upgrades all at once\\ Montolio > Thats not counting reactions\\ Montolio > That base tech prices\\ Montolio > Thats*\\ Deagol1 > no base is like 2.5 maybe 3 on a good day per tech\\ Montolio > And you have 6 tech\\ Deagol1 > aye 15 a month or so\\ Deagol1 > we have spent over 75 billion\\ Deagol1 > not including reiembersment\\ Deagol1 > we also do caps reiemberse\\ Deagol1 > and ome of our corps have had control of the moons\\ Montolio > Where are you getting 15/mo?\\ Deagol1 > so we never made for the alliance anythign near 125 billion\\ Montolio > Tech is currently around 4b/mo\\ Montolio > at least afaik\\ Deagol1 > 2.5 billion times 6 moons\\ Deagol1 > if not all upgrades\\ Deagol1 > a basew tech makes 4 billion?\\ Montolio > yes, I believe so\\ Deagol1 > no our numbers are and have allways been 2.5 to 3 bill none complex\\ Deagol1 > 4 to 4.5 with complex\\ Montolio > You are terrible with moons or someone is skimming then\\ Deagol1 > lol dude\\ Montolio > Raw tech is 4b close to 5b a month right now\\ Montolio > without reactions\\ Montolio > When we moved in tech was about 3b / mo raw\\ Montolio > it hasn't been 2.5b for a long time\\ Deagol1 > 72k units times 17k = 1.2 billion\\ Deagol1 > you get 72k units a month and thats what they go for\\ Deagol1 > 2.5 sorry\\ Montolio > sec\\ Montolio > Let me dig up our spreadsheet\\ Montolio > https://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc...CLWCmc8J#gid=1\\ Montolio > Can you view that?\\ Montolio > Thats a few months old\\ Montolio > July 30th wa the last time that was updated\\ Montolio > and prices have done nothing but go up\\ Deagol1 > how much per unit is that?\\ Montolio > 40k\\ Montolio > per unit its about 50-60k currently\\ Montolio > a tech moon is about 100 units per hour\\ Montolio > So thats lowend 3.6b unreacted\\ Montolio > *shrugs*\\ Montolio > Thats a lot of fucking money for you guys, especially with such limited reimbursements\\ Deagol1 > how much per piece was that sheet at?\\ Montolio > per unit?\\ Montolio > 40,142.00 ISK\\ Deagol1 > ya\\ Montolio > Current highest price in Jita is 60k for a buy order\\ Deagol1 > and low?\\ Montolio > well the lowest buy is obviously 0.01 heh\\ Deagol1 > your basing on it 40k per?\\ Montolio > We were in July\\ Montolio > The current low selling price is 61k/unit\\ Montolio > There is a buy order in Jita for 200k units @ 55,809\\ Montolio > Somebody is now telling me your stations were built with donation ISK?\\ Deagol1 > lol who is tlling you that?\\ Deagol1 > no\\ Montolio > Former own members\\ Montolio > "they had a big donation drive from their membership to fund the 2 stations"\\ Montolio > "they haven't paid the loans back yet"\\ Deagol1 > confirmed lier then\\ Deagol1 > lol that i not true\\ Deagol1 > is*\\ Montolio > Thats what people are telling me\\ Montolio > From the outside looking in, somebody is lining their pockets or you guys are grossly mismanaging your ISK\\ Deagol1 > well i am alliance leader and i am telling you they are liers\\ Montolio > Or you are building 3 titans and dont want to tell anyone\\ Deagol1 >\\ Deagol1 > you really shouldn't go around tellin alliance how they should run man thats seriously fucked up\\ Deagol1 > you been here a few months we been here years\\ Deagol1 > we earned what we have and we pour it back into the alliance\\ Montolio > So you deserve a little personal ISK right?\\ Montolio > For your history\\ Deagol1 > you don't belive that i don't really care\\ Deagol1 > no one in own has gotten rich\\ Deagol1 > period\\ Montolio > that you know of*\\ Deagol1 > i have 1.6 billion in my wallet\\ Montolio > I am a total fucking r****d when it comes to moon shit and I still knew that base tech was 4-5b currently\\ Montolio > Your diplomat said you had outpost debts\\ Montolio > Jilozz did\\ Deagol1 > i wouold know i am leader me and Red\\ Deagol1 > did i or red?\\ Deagol1 > people can make mistakes\\ Montolio > So your saying not 1 ISK of donations or loans were used in making your stations?\\ Deagol1 > we had no donation drive\\ Deagol1 > if anyone has dontated randomly i'm sure thats happened\\ Montolio > Thats not what I have heard, but of course you are the alliance leader\\ Montolio > you would know\\ Montolio > 100 units per hour x 24 hours x 30 days = 72,000. 72,000 x 67,000 (current Jita sell price) = 4824000000, or 4.8 billion isk per month. Subtract whatever you pay for a month's POS fuel.\\ Montolio > This is the current Tech price math btw\\ Montolio > If you'd like I can have my industry guys generate some spreadsheets for you guys to use long term\\ Deagol1 > 1 sell order for 55k doesnt make it 67 current\\ Montolio > Lower it to 60 then\\ Deagol1 > either way we have been around years dude you don't think we should have stuff after years of service?\\ Montolio > I too would like a tech moon for personal income yes\\ Deagol1 > i don't have that\\ Montolio > Whats the retirement age? 6 months and then you get one?\\ Deagol1 > but after years i probbly should\\ Montolio > HAha\\ Montolio > Someone is rolling around in ISK over there\\ Montolio > We have less then half your moons and we have 30b in reserve\\ Montolio > I can only imagine what you guys are sitting on\\ Deagol1 > so you don't think an alliance should make ok isk after years of dedicated service to the cause?\\ Montolio > As far as I can see your alliance isn't\\ Montolio > A select group is\\ Deagol1 > http://own.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7759350\\ Deagol1 >\\ Deagol1 > we allways have been very active\\ Deagol1 > and we spend all our isk 0on the alliance\\ Deagol1 > i listed many things that we have to spend isk on and do and you seem to think were jsut pocketing it\\ Deagol1 > were not\\ Montolio > The things you list + your current policies don't even come close to accounting for the ISK your alliance -should- have\\ Deagol1 > lol dude\\ Deagol1 > we never controlled all moons\\ Deagol1 > we have spend many billions\\ Deagol1 > we are morons for not taking isk for ourselfs actuallly\\ Montolio > So you guys don't reimburse drakes? fleet bs? cruisers? hacs?\\ Deagol1 > after thi many years of bullshit we deserve it\\ Deagol1 > but we don't take it\\ Montolio > I've also heard that if TeRedrum wants to run an anom that you are in he will tell you to get out or be podded, true?\\ Deagol1 > as i told you we reiemberse other things all the time but only to very active pilots\\ Deagol1 > no that is not true\\ Montolio > So you have selective reimbursements for the elite upper class\\ Montolio > Who gives a shit about those plebs anyways\\ Deagol1 > dude you really listen to ex members on alliance policy?\\ Deagol1 > not jsut elite\\ Deagol1 > verya active\\\ Deagol1 > i don't give a shit if your 6 years old if your not active your useless\\ Montolio > Haha, okay.\\ Deagol1 > can you get this troll out of our system?\\ Montolio > He will probably be helping to administer our OWN reimbursement program\\ Montolio > we are still hashing out the details\\ Montolio > Should we require certain fits?\\ Deagol1 > your a dick\\ Deagol1 > i have explained\\ Montolio > Most of the time, yes.\\ Deagol1 > i see that heh\\ Montolio > you're* by the way\\ Deagol1 > k ty\\ Montolio > No problem\\ Montolio > My members always correct me\\ Deagol1 > cool\\ Montolio > They tend to be helpful when they aren't shafted constantly by the alliance leaders\\ Deagol1 > dude wtf\\ Montolio > Should it be called "TEST Alliance: Financial Aid Division" or "Test Alliance Humanitarian Aid, Please Ignore"\\ Deagol1 > so you condone DurrHurrDurr smacking own in local?\\ Montolio > Is it funny or true?\\ Deagol1 > it's complete bullshit and he has no clue\\ Montolio > I bet its funny at least sometimes\\ Deagol1 > i have explained it now to you though\\ Deagol1 > so...\\ Montolio > I mean he isn't always irritating\\ Deagol1 > yes he is\\ Deagol1 > him and rastino\\ Montolio > Rastino made me laugh once, I think it was some sort of dead baby joke if I recall\\ Montolio > Probably inappropriate\\ Deagol1 > rastino link stuck\\ Montolio > "link struck" ?\\ Deagol1 > aye i linked his name to check his history and now unless i enter it it won't go away\\ Montolio > He trolls you AND breaks your client\\ Montolio > Thats dedication\\ Deagol1 > heh try linke a name but not say it\\ Deagol1 > he keeps locking own why?\\ Montolio > Who?\\ Deagol1 > DurrHurrDurr\\ Montolio > Maybe he is trying to rep\\ Deagol1 > leaving station means you don't need rep normallly\\ Montolio > I dunno, you guys probably charge for repair services\\ Deagol1 > lol\\ Deagol1 > not sure if the NC will like an alliance that griefs other blues in local for no reason hmm...\\ Montolio > Probably not\\ Deagol1 > and your chat here says very clearly you support his actions\\ Deagol1 > and you are leader\\ Montolio > Somebody has to help your members\\ Montolio > They pay dues without reimbursements\\ Deagol1 > heh k i'm sure this will workout very well for you\\ Montolio > It will end hilariously I am sure!\\ Deagol1 > woot\\ Montolio > http://i.imgur.com/Mrsob.png\\ Deagol1 > lol gw\\ Montolio > http://i.imgur.com/oyxq6.jpg\\ Deagol1 > weee\\ Montolio > We are working on a video now I think\\ Deagol1 > nice\\ Montolio > http://tinyurl.com/own-reimbursement\\ Montolio > program details will be up soon\\ Deagol1 > dues go to the top 5 pvp corps each month fyi\\ Deagol1 > kk\\ Montolio > "We aren't a pyramid scheme, promise!"\\ Deagol1 > such hate for a new alliance damn\\ Montolio > Haha\\ Deagol1 >\\ Montolio > I'll check back with you later m8 when we have more details, if you have approved fits you can forward them to me\\ '' \\ ---- =====Chat Two===== \\ '' Montolio > http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/5647/mrsobbetter.png\\ Montolio > LOL\\ Deagol1 > lol newb\\ Montolio > We've anchored free water outside your station\\ Deagol1 > thnx man your swell\\ Montolio > http://imgur.com/mfela.png\\ Montolio > new one btw\\ Deagol1 > now you sent a crew to grief us?\\ Montolio > Which? The badgers?\\ Deagol1 > rgr\\ Montolio > Thats the UN Aid Flotilla\\ Deagol1 > lol\\ Montolio > So now you are trying to censor the truth?\\ Montolio > Please block all test alliance if you see them in local.\\ '' They have decided to start grieving us. This is completely unprovoked.\\ '' We are dealing with this in private please block them until further notice.\\ Deagol1 > lol spying on your friends\\ Deagol1 > you guys are class\\ Deagol1 > and yes i did just send that ofcourse\\ Montolio > Your members are forwarding me this stuff\\ Deagol1 > heh\\ Montolio > So we factored your member dues into the estimated moon goo and office fees and are ballparking about 36.3b / month in alliance income before any sort of ratting or mission taxes and station fees\\ Deagol1 > lol do i care what you think?\\ Montolio > Do you?\\ Deagol1 > none of your business\\ Deagol1 > neg i do not\\ Montolio > Well I care what you think!\\ Deagol1 > heh k\\ Deagol1 > i think you need to pay yuor dues and earn more\\ Montolio > Your pay scale doesn't go up to 2500 though\\ Deagol1 > rather then cry for more like little children\\ Montolio > how much is that? like 750mil ?\\ Montolio > We just donated our first drake btw\\ Deagol1 > you need more moons then you could send us more\\ Deagol1 > havig fun yet?\\ Montolio > You mean you will take moons on our behalf? That would be nice of you\\ Deagol1 > tell you what give us one of your moons thenyou don't have to send us aid? Deagol1 > save you in logistics\\\\ Montolio > We are trying to help the people of OWN, not the brutal government that is withholding precious resources that the people \\desperately need Deagol1 > lol\\ Montolio > With the corruption in your administration focusing our resources at the top would accomplish nothing, what we need is a \\grassroots movement. Deagol1 > heh\\ Deagol1 > i think i found a name for your alliance man\\ Deagol1 > newbs\\ Montolio > Already taken\\ Deagol1 > you will leanr you have to earn stuff not cry for it\\ Deagol1 > learn*\\ Deagol1 > takes some time you will be ok\\ Deagol1 > this griefing locals plan might not be great though heh\\ Montolio > Its a terrible plan\\ Deagol1 > heh rgr\\ Montolio > You seem mad though\\ Deagol1 > we have done nothing\\ Deagol1 > this is alllllll you\\ Deagol1 > nothing wrong that is heh\\ Deagol1 > mad?\\ Montolio > Yeah\\ Deagol1 > heh you don't know he\\ Montolio > Why? Are you or are you not mad?\\ Deagol1 > no i am not mad\\ Deagol1 > newbs do dumb stuff nothign to get mad about\\ Montolio > True enough, its just that you seemed mad.\\ Montolio > You can let me know if you care, we can talk about it.\\ Deagol1 > when?\\ Deagol1 > show me?\\ Deagol1 > heh\\ Montolio > Well you did call us newbs\\ Montolio > That hurt my feelings\\ Deagol1 > thats fact man heh\\ Deagol1 > lol\\ Deagol1 > want me to start reposting our earlier chat?\\ Montolio > To where?\\ Deagol1 > to here\\ Deagol1 > to show where you were mean first many times?\\ Deagol1 > over and over?\\ Montolio > That seems like it would take a lot of effort\\ Deagol1 > not really\\ Montolio > What would that accomplish?\\ Deagol1 > Montolio > That hurt my feelings\\ Deagol1 > Deagol1 > to show where you were mean first many times?\\ Deagol1 > just making sure you understand who started all tis is all\\ Montolio > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard...readID=1396199\\ Montolio > http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread...971#post120971\\ Deagol1 > i don't read forums i hear they give you acne\\ Deagol1 > whats it say?\\ Montolio > Explaining what we are doing\\ Deagol1 > dude jsut needed one word hope you didn't use more and waste your time\\ Deagol1 > i kow you know what that word is\\ Deagol1 > know*\\ Montolio > masturbation?\\ Deagol1 > newb\\ Deagol1 > good try though\\ Montolio > I would prefer masturbation\\ Deagol1 > miss's the point though\\ ''