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training:moving [2020/11/21 21:46] SerinusGareth [SMBs - Frigate Escape Bay] |
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| * Jump Freighters and Fleet Hangars - Bulk Goods and Loose Items | * Jump Freighters and Fleet Hangars - Bulk Goods and Loose Items | ||
| * SMBs - Fitted ships | * SMBs - Fitted ships | ||
| - | * Travel Interceptors | + | * Travel Interceptors / Shuttles |
| * Subcap Move Op Fleets | * Subcap Move Op Fleets | ||
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| + | Capital pilots should see the wiki entry about moving safely. | ||
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| ===== Jump Freighters- Bulk Goods and Loose Items ===== | ===== Jump Freighters- Bulk Goods and Loose Items ===== | ||
| - | JFs hold bulk items. TEST Alliance offers a service that will do this stuff for you. See this [[https://forum.pleaseignore.com/topic/82364-test-freighters-please-ignore/|forum post]] and the [[http://freight.pleaseignore.com/calc|TEST Freight Calculator]]. Unlisted routes are probably fine. Try to use common sense for which calculator rate you should use or ask someone. Common intra-null routes are typically easier than high sec routes. | + | JFs hold bulk items. TEST Alliance offers a service that will do this stuff for you. See this [[https://forum.pleaseignore.com/topic/82364-test-freighters-please-ignore/|forum post]] and the [[http://freight.pleaseignore.com/calc|TEST Freight Calculator]]. Unlisted routes are probably fine. Try to use common sense for which calculator rate you should use or ask someone. Common intra-null routes are typically easier than high sec routes. Private services can often be found [[https://forum.pleaseignore.com/forum/33-services-offered/|on the forums under "Services Offered".]] Those private services may have slightly different rules, but these are a good guideline. |
| * NO FITTED SHIPS | * NO FITTED SHIPS | ||
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| ===== SMBs - Fitted ships ===== | ===== SMBs - Fitted ships ===== | ||
| - | Most capital ships have a Ship Maintenance Bay (SMB) capable of carrying fitted ships. Dreads, Carriers, and FAXes have an SMB size of one million m3. For these calculations you want to look at the size showing in your ship hangar [[http://serinus.us/screenshots/exefile_446.png|screenshot]]. Note that packaged hulls can not be shipped in this way and should instead be taken in a JF. Usually people will have extra space in their carriers to move extra ships. If you ask around in alliance, especially early and often in a move op, you'll usually find a couple hundred thousand m3 of space. Note that this method requires you to trust the pilot taking your ships. There's no collateral. You can also consider repackaging your ship and having the ship and modules shipped via Jump Freighter, though you'll lose the rigs. If you buy a ship off contract and the rigs are in the cargo, this is the reason why. The person selling those ships wants the ability to move them via JF without losing the rigs. If you've ever had more than 1-2b isk, you can optionally tip somewhere between 5 and 20m isk (rough, arguable guidelines). Maybe up to 100m isk if they're jumping twice //solely// for your benefit. No tip is generally expected. One null to null jump usually costs less than 20m isk in fuel. You're mostly tipping for the effort of clicking a few times. | + | Most capital ships have a Ship Maintenance Bay (SMB) capable of carrying fitted ships. Dreads, Carriers, and FAXes have an SMB size of one million m3. In this era, SMB is *usually* the preferred method of movement. For these calculations you want to look at the size showing in your ship hangar [[http://serinus.us/screenshots/exefile_446.png|screenshot]]. Note that packaged hulls can not be shipped in this way and should instead be taken in a JF. Usually people will have extra space in their carriers to move extra ships. If you ask around in alliance, especially early and often in a move op, you'll usually find a couple hundred thousand m3 of space. Note that this method requires you to trust the pilot taking your ships. There's no collateral. You can also consider repackaging your ship and having the ship and modules shipped via Jump Freighter, though you'll lose the rigs. If you buy a ship off contract and the rigs are in the cargo, this is the reason why. The person selling those ships wants the ability to move them via JF without losing the rigs. If you've ever had more than 1-2b isk, you can optionally tip somewhere between 5 and 20m isk (rough, arguable guidelines). Maybe up to 100m isk if they're jumping twice //solely// for your benefit. No tip is generally expected. One null to null jump usually costs less than 20m isk in fuel. You're mostly tipping for the effort of clicking a few times. |
| - | * Fitted ships only | + | * Fitted ships only |
| - | + | * Nothing in cargo other than ammo, nanite paste, scripts, cap boosters, stront, ozone, drugs, and warp disrupt probes. Explicitly look for modules, isotopes and containers, which will prevent the pilot from putting the ship into their SMB. | |
| - | * Nothing in cargo other than ammo, nanite paste, scripts, cap boosters, stront, ozone,and warp disrupt probes. Explicitly look for modules, isotopes and containers, which will prevent the pilot from putting the ship into their SMB. | + | |
| * **No **frigates allowed in the **frigate escape bay**. | * **No **frigates allowed in the **frigate escape bay**. | ||
| * Change the name of the ship to your name, so they know who to return the ships to | * Change the name of the ship to your name, so they know who to return the ships to | ||
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| + | ==== Trust ==== | ||
| - | ===== Travel Interceptors ===== | + | Courier contracts should //always// have collateral. There are always spies watching alliance contracts. Either the stuff you're moving is cheap enough that collateral isn't a big deal or it's expensive enough to be worth stealing. |
| - | Travel interceptors are very good, but **they are not uncatchable**. Don't undock what you can't afford to lose. They can be insta-pointed (if the pointer is lucky). They can be smartbombed. Blueprints are generally better moved by JF. A travel fit for an interceptor aligns in under 2 seconds (which will depend on your skills, check pyfa), and have a little buffer. | + | SMBs do require trust, but there are a few easy indicators you can use. You should always be calculating the value of your stuff vs the reputation/risk of the person carrying it for you. Look at how long the person carrying has been in corp. Do you know that they go on a lot of fleets? Do you think they value their position within the alliance more than the stuff they can steal? Just think about it and use some common sense. You get a little protection from the alliance, but this is EVE. Super pilots filling SMBs be especially careful when passing around other's ships. |
| - | * Good for moving implant clones | + | ---- |
| - | An example fit for a travelceptor is: | ||
| - | [[https://wiki.pleaseignore.com/military:doctrines:travelceptor|travelceptor]] | ||
| + | ===== Shuttles and Travel Interceptors ===== | ||
| + | Shuttles, those simple ships with no slots, are ideal travel ships now. They align quickly and are some of the few ships to have Interdiction Nullification built into their hull bonus after it was made an active module in 2021. They die instantly to smartbombs on the gate. With clever use of dscan and pings these can usually be avoided, but interceptors and yachts tend to be more durable. | ||
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| + | [[Travel Interceptors|https://wiki.pleaseignore.com/military:doctrines:travelceptor]] are a bit more durable and can carry a little more. They also warp significant faster. See [[the wiki entry|https://wiki.pleaseignore.com/military:doctrines:travelceptor]] for more info. | ||
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| ===== Subcap Move Op Fleets ===== | ===== Subcap Move Op Fleets ===== | ||
| - | Consider the size of your ships. You generally only catch one or two of these move ops, so take your biggest ships that don't easily fit in an SMB. Machariels, Nightmares, etc. | + | At this point in TEST's history we have more than enough capitals and supers and JFs to get your stuff moved. You should really only be taking a titan bridge to move your pod, or maybe if you have some 10b blinged subcap that you //really// don't trust anyone else to take for you. |
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| + | ===== Pochven ===== | ||
| + | Another possibility is to extract via Pochven. | ||
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| + | The idea is to use filaments to first jump into Pochven (a seperate kind of space only accessible via filament or wormholes) wait out your 15min timer there. Either cloaked or docked up in a blue structure and then use an extraction filament to go to a hi-sec or low-sec system. | ||
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| + | https://pochven.electusmatari.com/ describes the possible target systems for each pochven system. | ||
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| + | If you only have a pod in a shuttle to extract: | ||
| + | Use a svarog filament to get into pochven. Dock up on a blue player structure in Raravoss or Skarkon till the timer is up | ||
| + | Move to "Nani" and extract from there with a extraction filament. This will typically get you within a couple of jumps of Jita | ||
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